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Yep, I agree with this. Posting it he thought of recruiting. Taking it, probably not.
Isn't LBJ a ky fan? Maybe, as he matured, he's decided to come over from the dark side????
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by EvilleAngler 8 months ago
I am the "jackwad", coo coo kachoo!!
Honestly, I thought he was an OSU or Duke fan. Later in life his affiliation with WWW put him closer to Cal in a sense. I am sure he has admiration for Cal and the teams he puts together. Cal sells everyone on being like the Heat and it has worked.
Seriously, I think you're being as over-analyzing as you are being over-sensitive on this whole thing. Crean is at a former player's bball camp. Lebron is Wade's teammate, he was there too. Yeah, someone snapped a pic with the three of them in it.
Well put (although I agree that his haircut is brutal and borderline unacceptable for 2013).
If you simply had questions about Coach Crean's ability to "take us where you expect to be", then why would you be on here proclaiming what a bad coach he is at every hint of bad news? Furthermore, if you merely had doubts, why would you so readily resort to painting those that are not yet willing to give up on him as thinking he can do no wrong? Instead your posting is more indicative of someone who has their mind made up and is desperately searching for any hint of "evidence" that might support your opinion. For what? Just so you can say "I told you so" if you are eventually proved correct? Surely you have to realize that unless Coach Crean does something really stupid or chooses to leave, he is going to be here for another 4-5 years at the absolute minimum?
I don't believe I've ever claimed that he's a "bad coach". I've said he has flaws, they all do. I've said I think he's a good recruiter and ambassador. I've also said I think he needs to, and can, improve in terms of adjustments and in game strategy. I don't remember ever referring to him as a bad coach.
As I explained in that post you quoted, the posters that seem to believe Crean is infallible were primarily on the original HSN board. I won't name their handles, but they seemed ready to behead someone just for the slightest criticism.
"You don't accept in victory what you would not accept in defeat"- Tom Crean
This is one grey area I love to discuss for Crean (First paragraph). Second is what it is. Some believe he can't do anything right, even if they admit in passing they like his recruiting. They jump on him at times like this 3 months out. So, again, it is what it is. There are two extremes there. Just, the side that bashes Crean can't accept, there really is two extremes and they are on the opposite end. The first paragraph is a better discussion piece. To me, is it more of he needs to change his in game coaching or believe less in his players? What I mean by that, is we have seen how much he truly invests in these kids. I truly believe one of his biggest faults is he believes in them too much and can't accept they can fail. Then in turn he rides out when they are failing instead of changing things up. To me, that is what I see. I think he can see something needs to change, but I feel he just believes in them too much (some players last year like Yogi and Cody at times he shouldn't have). Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
This post was edited by mdn82 8 months ago
Very interesting mdn82. I'm actually interested to see if that changes at all now. The first few years he had to trust certain guys because there wasn't anyone else. I sometimes think Crean and the players (Hulls, Wat, VO, Sheehey, VJIII, etc.) built up such an emotional bond with all the losing and "resurrecting the program" talk that they felt tied together. I think there were probably times he knew guys like Hulls needed to sit, but he felt he owed them. This is the first year that really everyone is equal. Sheehey is the only guys left that has experienced any of the losing.
I also felt all the "resurrecting" talk really got to last years team. They looked emotionally spent to me the last several weeks, like the pressure, not just the pressure to win, but the pressure to be the guys that brought Indiana all the way back, was getting to them. They were playing tight, which we hadn't seen from this group.
I'm hoping Crean is actually energized and excited to have a new crop of kids, ones that aren't tied to the baggage of the rebuild.
I would guess CTC would have also known that sitting Hulls wouldn't have gone over well with the fans for the very same reason you mentioned. Especially what was possibly his last game and in the NCAA tourney on top of that.
I do think they had a tighter than normal bond and that can only be expected the way things played out. I don't think the new guys will have the bond with the fans like the "original guys" but will be accepted and loved like most players before them.
interesting thoughts on those last 2 posts, but hard to believe. if CTC really thought we were better sitting guys at times, but didn't do it because he felt he owed them, that is a big big mistake. and very hard to believe. as Herm said, you play to win the game. Crean is paid to win. i don't get paid worth crap, but you better believe i play the players i think will help us win no matter how much i like or dislike the players. if Crean doesn't do that at the college level, we are in big trouble!
SUCCESS IS A COMMITMENT - NOT A WISH
You can find quotes on James saying he would have attended 3-4 different schools "if he had gone to college." Even though it wouldn't have been possible for him to go to college when he ended his amateurism during his junior year of high school.
He just loves media attention. He has claimed love for those 3-4 schools when they were each very hot due to on-court success.
That is the thing though. You do play to win. Do you think Cody Zeller is playing like crap you have a better chance with Pritch? I think he built up a trust in players and rode it to a fault. I agree in that he needs to change that. But, you could see and hear the trust he had in certain players. Like VJ3 a few years ago and Wat when he struggled the last 2 years. I don't know that he owed anybody anything, but I felt he had a certain level of trust built up in players. I think this next year will be very telling. Maybe he can't see in game changes needed. I don't buy that. I think he is trusting players to make the plays needed to win. His offense is all about players making plays. That to me says a lot about his mentality. It isn't mix and match mechanical in any way. Its about the players. Like I said, it is probably in the middle somewhere, but I truly believe that.
We really didn't have much of a bench last year to take Hulls out for that long. I think CTC did his best by putting Hulls and Yogi on the court at the same time as little as possible and using Sheehey.
Yep. I recall him saying that about OSU when Oden and Conley were there. Then Duke when they were in and around the title games with Coach K around the olympic team. I remember after that one thinking he would have had a hard time going to all of these schools.
well, here's another way i personally look at starters being benched - you have a fairly major difference in talent most times. like the example of Zeller/Pritchard. i'll keep a Zeller who is having a bad game in for the most part rather than bench him for long for a Pritch. now, that's not to say i wouldn't pull him out, try to get him straight, and put him back in, sure you do that. but as for Hulls or VJ3, at those times, they were the better players than guys we had on the bench. so, yes, i do think he'd continue to ride them when they had bad games, but i think most coaches do. when my best player is struggling, i'm not sitting her (i'm a girls' HS coach) for a long time. i'm getting her out, having a chat, and getting her back in.
So you still would have played Hulls most the Game(SU) even though Remy had a better shooting % from 3 over the prior 4 games and was taller and had a higher release point giving him a better chance at shooting over the longer/taller SU guards? And also with Hulls having an admitted injury limiting his shooting abilities.
Or would you have played the player who on paper had a better opportunity at scoring and defending a taller opponent?
As far as Herm goes, I've also heard him say "you go with who got you there" and mentioning "loyalty to players" even if they aren't playing well or have a slight injury. So CTC playing Hulls for a loyalty reason, even if it's just a small part of why he played him so long, is not all that hard to believe under the circumstances . And MOST people do things to keep their boss(fans included) happy. He would have been strung up that night if he had sat Hulls the whole game due to how he had played in the prior few games.. So there was pressure to play him even though there was "on paper" a better option at the time. So if you want to use the "you play to win" phrase, you should have gone with the healthy, taller, better shooting player right? Not saying Remy would have been better, but you get what I'm saying.
And yes everyone plays to win, even CTC.
btw, I was unhappy with him keeping Hulls in the game so long. Felt Hulls was too injured and had no confidence in his shot. But, do you really sit him if he's saying he feels alright?
Your right of course and I should have said that the media has him perceived right now as the #1 pick in the draft. After all wasn't Jabari Parker the best player to come along since James till Wiggins came along and was crowned the best since LBJ.
i still hope the reason he didn't sit Hulls for Remy was that he thought Hulls gave us a better chance to win. personally, as a fan, i differed with your opinion. i didn't think Remy would have been the better play, so maybe Crean and i agreed on that one and you didn't. i'm sure there are plenty of other things Crean and i disagree on and you might agree with him. however, i still think you make a HUGE mistake if you think player B would give you a better chance, but you leave player A in because you feel "loyalty" or want to keep the fans happy. i just don't agree with that at all. all players deserve the same "loyalty" for putting time in during practice every day.
Shenanigans like that make me long for the old days of Arthur L. Trester ruling the IHSAA with an iron fist
Just to clear up my position on this, I didn't mean to suggest Crean would consciously think during games "Remy would probably win us the game, but I owe Hulls". I just think that group that lost all those games the first couple years had a bond and a loyalty that even extended to the coaching staff, a "we're in this together" kind of mentality. I think they just had a trust, a belief and a confidence in each other that they always thought they'd come through.
That won't be there anymore now and we should have a situation going forward where it's more level.
Dave Telep reporting Blackmon will take unofficial to MSU this Saturday.
This does not make any sense to me. If he commits to MSU or MICH, questions will need to be answered. I can understand UK to follow dad or UL to play with friends but UM or MSU seems odd.
What can they offer that we can't?
I know the Blackmon's don't "need" money the same as others do, but one would wonder with a commit to MSU or UM.
This post was edited by WayneHoosier 8 months ago
Maybe the young man really just wants to see what else is available.
Or, it's a smoke screen to cover up puke recruitment.
It is likely a big blue smoke screen. If he decommited to "see" what other options are out there, he better start looking. We have and we found some very exciting options.
Dave Telep @DaveTelep 1h
James Blackmon (@JBlackmon2) will visit Kentucky unofficially August 29.
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